Map assessment and pathing enhancements

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Yep... because... it's properly messed up :tease:
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I think I know what this fellow it's capable to do... All right, let me see what's up with the action - objectives, etc.
I see that I entered in game using a PlayerStart that was not active - because navigation chain is badly corrupted - clearly basic mapping rules are thrown on the window...

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Map has some other issues as well as the rest of 202x Year Products (which are not really UE1 maps)... Actually to me is getting stuck, finally rebooting the machine. This way I won't be able to check it well. It will remain as a pathed junk which it's mainly a SP stage. The question is if it's worth working on it like that - untested...
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This one might be a little tricky...
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...in that it's GINORMOUS!

Designed for a redeemer server, it's not only massive I don't think pathing was of great concern to them.

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I'll look at it...

With regard to previous map, that one looks dependent on some mods... (plonk !). There are spots requiring big jumps which "classic mode" doesn't help at all. When you play in classic style things might go nowhere. Bad settings, bugged geometry stage, this way it's just for deletion... I wiped my hard drives from such junks years ago and I don't have any heart feeling for that, just enjoying quality works.
Like I said before... in front of pathing stage you can always check it in god mode with a powerful gun and see how stage is being done, it's really that simple.

Let me check this one. Giant maps are not really Bot friendly and they are not like UE1 maps.
And here too clearly are needed Teleporters or tools - lol stairs....
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But... I'll look if Engine/DevPath supports this.
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Nelsona wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:22 pmThere are spots requiring big jumps which "classic mode" doesn't help at all.
This is why the Gods gave us jump-boots!
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I'm not sure if you guys are really OK or not...
1 - First of all they have less jumps than the number of stairs and Bot is clumsy with JumpBoots exhausting the charge without to get anywhere - each such jump has to be tested.
2 - Bot is unable to see enemy at long ranges out of Engine purpose... properly completed by a high load coming from DevPath.
3 - There are still 7000+ missing paths for items (PlayerStart <-> Inventories) and... I have 913 navigation nodes. I'm not sure if this will end well.

Resuming, I don't give a damn on JumpBoots that need other JumpBoots for being picked up. Jumpy paths need more Nodes - COMBOS - that will increase the nodes count faster - it's just plain stupid. Do you really think that these "ginormous" trashes out of Engine are really suitable for a Bot Match ? I don't think that...
And then... Translocator might be used but it's a similar combo, 3 nodes for each jump. I used long paths for coverage but I don't know if I can stay in Engine's range. It needs a lot of polishing, skipping some spots and so on.
I'm afraid that I'm wasting my time with no purpose...
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